Ghostwing

Gileas898, on 11 January 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

No, I have never claimed WoW grinding was the same as GW2 grinding. Where in my post did you read that? I have always said the WoW grind was worse. Let me summarize how I see the current situation, as we're obviously miscommunicating somewhere.

You quoted someone else who said WoW grinding sucks because of content gating etc, and you called them a hypocrite of some sort because they are now defending GW2 for having the same grind. I then said no, WoW grind has way worse RNG and grind than the GW2 grind, and the GW2 content gate is more akin to WoW hardmodes than it is tiers. Then you said no GW2 grind is worse. I then pointed out the RNG situation in WoW, and then you said vanilla WoW is different from current WoW. I asked how. You said they had no tokens, which is indicative of MORE RNG. I then asked how does that help YOUR case in saying the GW2 grind is worse, when vanilla WoW had even more RNG? Why even bring up vanilla WoW when the grind was worse than the current WoW, which I claim is worse than GW2? I have NEVER said WoW's grind is the same as the GW2 grind, and I stand by that.

Point 2. Whoops, you're right, I should've been more clear in the question. Let's put it into context. You're saying PVE competitions shouldn't involve gear stats (as far as I can tell). Other people are saying there is no PVE competition in GW2. You then say there is competition in the PVE community. I then asked what competition in the PVE community are you referring to. Then, as examples, you list competitions that involve gear stats. How does that help your case in saying PVE competitions shouldn't involve gear stats when the examples of PVE competition you list involve gear stats?

As for me quoting your latest posts as replies to previous posts, well yeah, it's the same discussion isn't it? I was not aware each post was supposed to be independent from the rest of the thread and conversation.

Gileas898, on 11 January 2013 - 12:17 AM, said:

See what?? So RNG was worse in Vanilla. How does that help your case in the current discussion of the WoW grind compared to the current GW2 grind, in saying that the GW2 grind is horrible and full of RNG?

As for the second bit, what? Dragon Soul has a gear element. The fractals race also has a gear element (which is what this complaint thread is about). Two of the three things you listed have gear progression in them. So you're saying "the pve competition scene should not rely on gear" and then proceed to list pve competition examples where gearing for stats is involved.

I admit I know nothing about the GW1 pve scene. What does that entail, exactly?

Gileas898, on 10 January 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

1) No? How was gear doled out in vanilla, then?

Specifically the WoW RNG grind I'm talking about is the 20+ people in a raid with < 10 pieces of gear dropped for a boss, random loot table so the piece you need might not even drop, and pieces you already have might drop repeatedly over several runs. You're also competing with everyone else for those drops. The last time I played it was around 8 pieces per boss for 25 people, with a lot of bosses dropping stuff that didn't apply to your specific class. If I remember right, classic Onyxia dropped less than 10 pieces, but I could be wrong on that count.

2) Yeah, they made it less RNG with the introduction of the pristine tokens. They're actively making it LESS grindy.

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Actually, now I'm curious. Like what?

Gileas898, on 10 January 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

But we already know that's the system in place for WoW, and that system has been in place since they introduced raids. What makes you think GW2 will stray from the current token system they have?

Gileas898, on 10 January 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

I thought we were talking about the grind required for the current ascended pieces. So now you're complaining about the grind for pieces that don't exist yet?