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In Topic: [Build] Sonic Boon - Shout Greatsword

07 December 2012 - 09:29 AM

View PostBrand, on 05 December 2012 - 09:43 PM, said:

Yes, I'm not understanding the point this is supposed to be making? You're agreeing with me?
I can guarentee you that if you could get Defy Pain from 10 points in defense, nearly every build would have it, even if being defensive isn't the point of your build. Healing shouts is a powerful grandmaster trait, and it does a lot for the team.
This IS a Vigorous Shouts build... Because we DO want to heal...
You're basing much of your points on speculation. Range is hardly an issue on shouts. Just tell your allies to try and stay near you, when people get heals, they tend to try to stay near the healer.
I'm not planning to do that, but it doesn't mean that the heals I get when I DO pop FGJ and SIO are wasted. They are still very much effective and useful.
Any dps you would get simply would not match up to the 10% boon duration and healing from shouts at this point in the build. If you want to go full absolutely no support, then run a cookie cutter GS build, not Sonic Boon.
It would be +50 Precision (Or rather -20, since you are removing Omnomberry pies), and we already get +10% bleed damage from our bleeds and allied bleeds, you frankly don't need the extra 50%, it only makes your bleeds last 1 second longer.
We already get 25 stacks of might, why would we need 10% more boon duration? It's a flat out waste and lowers our precision and healing/survivability.

I'm not sure where you are getting the information for your arguments, but it is clearly flawed (No offence). The point of the build is to be survivable as well as deal high damage. Shout heals, OmnomBerry pies, and points in Defence help this aspect. The loss in survivability/team support from switching to a 20/30/0/20/0 build is not worth the 100 more power, 10% more damage with GS and 1 second longer bleeds.

what i meant was that this build is not noob friendly or pug friendly, it doesnt matter how good you Brand are with this build not everybody will be dodging everything.

dont compare def pain with 1400 VS per shout please, please.

this is not a VS build, is a hybrid, you dont heal as much as a VS build could.

i used this build for more than a week i can tell you, VS for 1400 per shout is useless, mobs will hit you for more.
Are you really asking to ppl to stay next to you to heal them for 1400 ?

those are 10 point to play with and you can use the food you want.

Im getting the information from playing this build.

Support is not only healing.

View PostSithicus Dias, on 07 December 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Interesting, it appears our views on Support vary more than I thought. I'm finding it harder and harder to justify Vigorous Shouts for Sonic Boon, because if you really are purely using the Shouts for yourself, and since most of that quote screams playing as an individual. It seems you sort of expect your shouts to "mostly" passively assist your allies, without giving it any effort. I would speculate in that case that your team might just be doing fine without your Shout Healing. In your team, you probably have a conflicting source of Regeneration anyway, but it's a shame you're so against Banners.

Also, you don't need to keep watching the health bars, all you need is a quick glance. I play in melee just the same as you, and I have to time my skills properly, I need to try and Block tactically, since soaking a heavy attack is key to keeping a mob at bay for longer periods.

I'll be interested to see how you get on in Fractals at level 10+. Agony is a real pain.

VS in this build is a waste. This build is lossing dps, a weapon and all his utilities for 1400 heal because as i said, you are using FGJ asap, SIO is you only answer to 1 conditions/stun. OMM will be the only thing that could heal when you need it.

View PostSithicus Dias, on 07 December 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

I'm just confused, because you seem to make a big point out of using the shouts for yourself, and not prioritizing the group. But in this second quote, you claim you do go over and heal your allies. Since you use FGJ and OMM as soon as they're available, that leaves SIO to use when you run over to an ally. SIO is your least priority shout, because you never know when you might need it, and you rarely use it as "just a heal".


In Topic: [Build] Sonic Boon - Shout Greatsword

05 December 2012 - 06:17 PM

View PostBrand, on 05 December 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:

I typed a whole long post but it got erased, so I'mma be short and sweet since I don't have much time:
Guardian ally is recommended, not needed, I do fine in pugs.
Telling me that you don't lose anything is kind of ridiculous, seeing as your original thoughts were to remove 5 points from tactics (Thereby trading a grandmaster trait for something?)
This build uses shouts to support.
You don't need FGJ to keep your fury up except for once during the duration of SoR, even disregarding that, there is never going to be a time when all allies have full health and your heals are ineffective.
Dismissing the other heals/parts of shouts simply because they sometime don't work at full efficiency is a pretty flawed outlook. OMM is not the only shout doing healing here.
We barely take any healing power in the first place.
The build you reccomend has an extra 10 points in tactics that you don't need. Endure pain isn't necessary if you know how to dodge/GS3. Your build is a standard GS might build, Sonic Boon accomplishes something else entirely.

Thanks for posting, sorry if the responses seem bland or short, I'm hurrying xD

the point for posting a build is to everyone to try it, not just ppl with expirience, it really doesnt matter how you do in pugs.
It can be a grandmaster trait or a super ultra powa trait, it doenst matter if its no helping as much as a build based on that trait.
yep this builds uses a shout to support, FGJ, this build stacks might if you want to heal take a VS build
yes you are right, most of the time an allie will not have full hp, now if they are in range or not is another story (600 range)
OMM is the only shout you can count as a healing, the others as i said is your only answer to conditions/stun and a might/fury buff, you cant save all your shouts to run to an allie and heal him for 4200, VS build will be better if you are planning to do that.
you could take more dps, instead of so low heals.
+100 prec,+50% bleed duration for the + 10% damage. use a boon duration food (cuz you wont need omnom) your might stacks will last even more, 10% more. You can change EP for anything you want, a free utility.
As i said this builds stacks might, taking VS because hey its there dont count as accomplishing entirely someting else.

4 days puging with this build, 6 more to go.

In Topic: Supportive Warrior Builds [Think tank]

05 December 2012 - 10:19 AM

View PostRaybunny, on 05 December 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

Ok, im still to read everything in this thread.

I'm a very "selfish" shout warrior traits 10/0/30/30/0 , I will tell you why.

Knight set (power though prec) damage runes and beserker acessories.

FGJ, Shake it off, or endure pain or OMM depending of the boss.

This is my second build and been working good in pair with our guardians but I feel that I should really change that selfish build since its focused more on damage than heal.

Weapons: Axe +Shield + Longbow.

I've been thinking on this build:

Power, thoughness and vit set
Runes of the warrior or power + crit runes
Healing Acess with dps orbs in it.

Traits would remain the same.

Opinions about it?

i was running something similar
ac gear pow/vit/tou and full cleric gear with a cleric weapon
you will be healing almost 2k  with no healing power buffs (really, like 1997) per shout
was playing them as a 6k heal for my self (and the lucky one that was in range) and i must said you  get tired of it really fast if you pug alot because there is always that person that cant dodge....

In Topic: [Build] Sonic Boon - Shout Greatsword

05 December 2012 - 10:06 AM

OK i just tried this boon build and i must say is fun but i was worried about the points i asked and i was right (in my exp with this build, 3 days atm, will run 7 more)

i must ask you to put on the OP clearly that this build is not PUG friendly

View PostBrand, on 03 December 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

2) This build really should be run with a guardian or warrior that is supporty and can remove conditions (All teams should have one)

and one more thing

View PostBrand, on 03 December 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

5% boon duration would not hurt too bad, but the ton of survivability and healing you lose is an issue.

you dont lose anything tbh. The shouts heal by soooo low and the fact that this is not a pug friendly build adds to this problem.

as i said before this build uses the shouts as shouts, not as heals.

FGJ must be used all the time to keep the stacks and the important fury up (even if you dont need the healing), not been a pug friendly build makes your SIO your only condition removal and stun breaker so you cant count it as a heal. The only real heal will be OMM, giving you only 1400 real healing when really needed by spending 30 points in tactics and that will never be worth taking.

im getting more and more convinced that taking healing power is a mistake, this build aims to stack might and it does it great but trying to be more "supportive" by taking healing shouts is just a waste plus the only real support you give to the party is the increased fury and 3 stacks might duration.

i find 20/30/0/20/0  mending, fgj, sio and endure pain more efficiant but will keep running the original for some days more.

this points are from running pugs with this build.

In Topic: Supportive Warrior Builds [Think tank]

05 December 2012 - 09:20 AM

sithicus is toughness THE tank stat or can i leave toughness and just stack vit ?