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ShezuTsukai, on 14 April 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

There are two views of SR and SS: other skills are underpowered, and these skills are at normal level, or these skills are OP versus other skills. Why is the default view towards the former and not the latter?

Andemius, on 14 April 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

If a skill is popular among the most skilled of a class, then it suggests they're OP -- at least relative to the other skills at the class' disposal. Since these two skills are by far the most popular among the most skill thieves I've seen, then that suggests that they're OP -- at least relative to the other skills in the thief's arsenal, but also likely overall too.

Shadowstep is great at disorienting an enemy for 2-3 seconds in addition to a gap closer which gives the thief enough time to do 5-6k damage if they're good -- a game changer.

Shadow refuge is a great "oh shit" button if they're about to lose and need heals + 12s stealth afterward if they need to escape. Unless the other class has an AOE, it's the ultimate escape. Also great at stealth ressing people. If done properly, the stealth res is almost guaranteed to work unless the other class has huge AOE damage.

Both skills are under deception and can easily be traited for -20% cooldown (which I'm sure most thieves do).

Let's also not even begin to talk about Basilisk Venom which I also see on basically ever good thief nowadays...

rank 50 warrior as well...

the quickness nerf especially affected warriors since we require strong burst in short periods of time while in melee to overcome both a ludicrous number of kiting options that other classes have, as well as our own paltry options for locking down targets.

most other classes seldom use quickness or don't have it at all so they're effectively buffed relative to the warrior -- a moronic outcome given that warriors were previously considered underpowered in tPvP and are now even worse. necromancers, guardians, mesmers (apart from time warp, but still) and eles are all indirectly buffed. such an outcome is ludicrous given that tank eles and guardians are already nearly impossible to kill and necromancers and mesmers continue to receive direct buffs. i'm amazed at how arena continues to prop up bunker builds who are ludicrously difficult to kill while decimating spike damage builds that are the only hope of countering such builds.

the argument that people couldn't react fast enough to a quickened attack and therefore were helpless to avoid it is a poor one. skilled players are easily able to avoid a quickened attack with a dodge or a defense skill (which all skilled players have). if it's on cooldown, then that's tough luck -- they should take extra damage for that. unskilled players deserve to die. they'll die fast or slow to a good warrior, but they'll die. not sure why a drawn-out fight is a better outcome.

anyway, this isn't the end of the world for warriors in sPvP. before the patch, i almost always posted the highest score while after the patch I am still doing so. it's just a shame that I'm still using frenzy since it's a feeble skill now, but it's better than the alternatives for me.

I'll take a key. thanks!

this also happens quite frequently with killing necromancers. i neither get res'd from downstate nor points.

unbelievable that this is happening now. they actually INTRODUCED horribly annoying bugs into the game 7 months in.