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#2068273 Coron's guide to enjoying WvW

Posted coronbale on 08 November 2012 - 09:40 AM

Greetings future or present WvWer,

If you have stepped into a WvW match, you have probably been more confused than fired up with the spectacle you were confronted with.  When you read the "team" chat, your confusion deepens.


Here is a one stop shopping to how to enjoy your WvW time.  Its step by step, so no matter your WvW experience you can fill in the holes of your education.

1)  Join a WvW guild if your serious about learning.  Doesn't need to be the #1 guild, any that you see in there rolling together will do.  Don't get pinned down to just one, roll with them for a few days, then try another.  Find one that fits your play style!  This is the step a LOT of people gloss over, and it leads to terrible times in WvW.  You really have NO IDEA what you are missing by not joining with a team that is coordinating portal flanks and counter tactics in a voice chat server!

2)  Ask questions!  This ties into 1 because if you ask it in /t or /m your going to get a million answers, and some insults as well.  Guilds are a great way to get the noob questions out of the way, and get to the good stuff!

3)  NEVER NEVER NEVER play for the score.  Your in furious combat with an enemy team.  They are juking and flanking for position, but your enemy commander makes a great move to win the day.  Battle finishes, bags collected.  Does it really matter if your up 100k or down 100k at that point?  Playing for the score means you will ONLY enjoy WvW if your server is up in points.  You will ONLY enjoy the game when winning, and turn into a giant Dbag while losing.  That and most of what happens in WvW with relation to the score has nothing to do with any 1 person or guild.  Your job is the battle at your feet, let the score sort itself out!

This also goes for when your winning.  Just because your team happens to be up in points, does not mean its time to gloat and rub peoples faces in it.  Respect and sportsmanship attitude goes a LONG way in building a reputation as a great WvWer!

4)  If you go into WvW alone, you lose the right to talk crap on the people who are organizing the team.  Even if they do it wrong, they are doing it.  Support them, and ignore people who want to shut them down.  Other side of the coin is true.  If your getting badmouthed by a commander, don't follow him!  Find a leader you can follow.

5)  Learn how to LOSE.  When you take a loss, you are in an extraordinary learning situation.  Getting angry and deflecting blame to everyone around you causes you to take nothing away from the loss.  Learning from every defeat will make you a force to be reckoned with.  Tied with this, is find a guild that can lose correctly as well.  Again, if your guild is only good when winning, and turns nasty when losing, find another one!

Some food for though here, every matchup is 1v1v1, which means technically there are 2 loser servers, and 1 winner.  Do you really think 2/3 of the population in WvW should be miserable at all times?

You'll notice nothing in this list speaks to what siege equipment to buy, where to place it, what points are important, what guilds are winners, or anything of the sort.  Without the proper attitude you will be miserable in there in any situation other than a complete shut out of the enemy.  If you haven't guessed, success in WvW is VERY complex, and often times the more skilled teams and commanders can take a loss from factors they (and you) have no control over.  If it rains on your football game, do you cuss out your coach?

Follow these steps, and you'll start to see just how AMAZING this game can be!  PVE has only a few weeks at most to offer you, alts can only take you so far, WvW will last for the life of the game.  No match is the same, no map is the same, no battle the same.

From myself and Tsym, we hope you enjoy your time in WvW!

[Tsym] Coron

#2055534 Isle of Janthir vs Henge of Denravi vs Sea of Sorrows

Posted Marstar on 01 November 2012 - 05:28 AM

Part 2 :


You just can't compare 4 hour queues to a community that's willing to listen and adapt.

Willing to listen to those desperate to control them? No1 follows flakes.


To be clear, when it comes to PRX, I fought them on DAoC another MMO roughly 10 years ago. The tactics are VERY similar to what they're doing today, and it STILL works for them. Overcoming that strategy is always a fun thing to do with lesser numbers.

Here is a lesson. Their strategy (not tactic) of employing a sizable force beyond your ability match, and the tactic (not strategy) of blitzing all before them with numbers you cannot counter is your failure to understand how WvW works after roughly 10 years.


I'm using to describe one guild controlling the majority of a zone's population under one tag, and having the entirety of that force attack a single objective. That's zerging in my book ....

Let me wrap my head around this one more time. If PRX was the coach/captain of the team and they got all their players on the field to play for the same single objective 'win' (or score) ... you think that is tantamount to zerging the opposition?


Thankfully your 'book' is :

'The former JQQ-IoJ play-guide to Failure'.

It's only read by Commanders who want to move from T1 -> T3


Just because a guild WAS a PART of TA doesn't mean that they SPECIFICALLY gain the full credit, or take that with them. Condemned was the founding guild of TA, and the second they quit GW2, all the TA guilds spread across and aren't doing nearly as well. To say that just because a certain guild was part of TA and they went "30-0" they're automatically great and amazing is wrong. Most of TA accomplished their "success" pre 1 week matches. How long did they stay around after that? Remember, in case you've forgotten, the majority of my guild and I were on JQ when we were all in T1 against them, and now look at HoD.

I'm not saying TA guilds are bad, but to transfer over to another server, and expect to be treated as a king when little to no participation with your community happens is wrong.

TA's SEA Guilds moved to SBI and helped them beat JQQ to come 1st after only 1 week.

TA's Oceanic Guilds, EU Guild and DtD moved to Beastgate and helped them move from T3 to potential 1st place in T1 in 3 weeks.

TA's PRX moved to SoS to fill their ailing NA coverage and they are steamrolling on their way to T1.

TA's RMA moved to Kaineng and helped them get their 1st ever victory.

We aren't talking about one guild SPECIFICALLY . Success follows in our wake.


and because the community is amazing and inspiring ... we put all differences and petty drama aside ....

Truely amazing and inspiring !!!


Nobody said SoS had control of ALL of their pugs, or even the majority of their pugs.

True, but you said PRX do in your timezone ;) Since that is when you play, that is pretty much a contradition wouldn't you say?


There's no ONE way to correctly execute W3.

... and you can't even counter ONE. Refer to the Roman's futher us.


My Commander's tome was bought with donations from people on IoJ because my leadership inspired them and they inspired my leadership.

Money is easier to pass over than trust ... which you so desperately try to attain from them.

Get IoJ back into T1 without relying on T1 servers to disband, and maybe we'll respect your leadership ... let alone acknowledge it.

View PostArctix, on 01 November 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

Aren't you on Henge of Denravi?

My work here is done.

p.s. Keep zerging the word count.

#2056883 JQ / SBI / BG The Wagon Warz : 10/26/12 - 11/2/12

Posted Treble on 01 November 2012 - 11:57 PM

View PostCharliePrince, on 01 November 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

I personally am glad War Machine brought to light the blatant exploiting, cheating, and hacking done by that one stacked server i won't even bother naming
Let's not start this again.

IoJ match is that way. -------------->

#2053887 JQ / SBI / BG The Wagon Warz : 10/26/12 - 11/2/12

Posted Rendon on 31 October 2012 - 06:11 AM

View PostChuckS117, on 31 October 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

wow haven't check the scores all week, good for Blackgate, I bet it's gonna get bandwagoned now.
We've already been called Wagongate a few times. Luckily our large PVE population acts as a pretty good buffer to deter people transferring unless they really want to be here.

#2039074 BG vs HoD vs ET - Week of Oct 19th through Oct 26th

Posted DaevenFox on 24 October 2012 - 05:25 AM

View Postrandall, on 23 October 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Spoken like a true scrub who doesn't understand that raw numbers is the only thing that matters after a certain point. When you field more than both other team combined it doesn't matter how crap your fairweather players are. The fact you don't realise this shows how little you understand about WvW.

View PostScyn, on 23 October 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

Trying to insult me instead of answering the question certainly demonstrates your knowledge of WvW.

Yes - this gets to the heart of the matter every time some random has posted on this issue of supposed "stacking" by the TA guilds. Not only do they apparently confuse "TA" with every other guild in the game, not a single one can answer the question "how many players comprised the TA guilds that transferred to Blackgate".

It doesn't matter who it is... Hexenn, Charlie, Randall or anyone else - this question has never been answered,. because they litterally don't know. All they see is a bunch of guild names and make assumptions.

We are down to about 15 players left at this point. Our Australian allies that came with us have been similarly decimated with attrition. Collectively we can't even fill 3/4 of a single map.

But most of all - if we wanted to stack and get no competition in our timezone, why didn't we just transfer to a server where there are already plenty of players in our timezone? - like Jade Quarry... or Stormbluff... or Isle of Janthir... or Sea of Sorrows...

Instead, we went to a server that had virtually no presence in our timezone, that had been asking for help for weeks courtesy of one of the most reasonable guys on this cesspit of a forum in Laylyn.

If you believe we are transferring to avoid competition, you are a retard.

#2039008 BG vs HoD vs ET - Week of Oct 19th through Oct 26th

Posted Valkyrja Flame on 24 October 2012 - 04:18 AM

View PostMaelwaedd, on 24 October 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

use gorilla tactics
Here on Blackgate, we use both gorilla and guerrilla tactics!
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~Valkyrja Flame [RQ]

#2031584 BG vs HoD vs ET - Week of Oct 19th through Oct 26th

Posted Psyblade on 20 October 2012 - 02:00 PM

View PostIt is a trap, on 20 October 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

*Yawn, such a boring matchup...
HOD and ET's people just plain suck without pro guild carried them, we literally stomped them to ground on the first hour of the match.
Stop blaming of stacking, coverage or whatsoever......you guys are just a bunch of baddie who couldn't compete with us even during US prime hours...
Not going to lie though, i like the tears that come from these people, keep it coming to entertain us


If you are on BG, I am ashamed to have you on the server.... Badmouthing 2 servers because BG got the transfers...

be... ashamed!

#2031594 Pro Baddies is looking for new home

Posted Laylyn on 20 October 2012 - 02:08 PM

View Postworsty, on 20 October 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

Sorry, but going by your rationale, why then did SoS and SoR get the lottery ticket during the ET/HoD fallout? They're not #1 nor #2 in the 'reinforcement ranking'. Likewise, Blackgate wasn't #1 either when you guys got the winning ticket.

No offense to you but just trying to understand where you're coming from.

They recruited, to the tune of hundreds of man hours.   Not being mean, but like most servers, your server didn't.

It wasn't a lotto.   It was a paycheck for hard labor.

Your strengthening will come from the ball other servers started rolling with first and put the most effort into.


#2024642 BG vs TC vs FA

Posted Marstar on 17 October 2012 - 06:55 AM

View PostJackiepro, on 17 October 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

Heh, I am going to get flamed for posting this but I am going to bring into light the transfers BG has recieved:

No1 flames constructive criticism :) Especially when it's coming from a proven performer on the MMO scene ;)

The server was not 'stacked' intentionally. From the moment Titan Alliance decided to disband, i was in discussion with a respected BeastGate representative. I was informed that there was a potential EU Alliance moving to BeastGate, and as that was not confirmed (they were still voting etc) and because we only had Ginnunga, we did no feel this was a conflict of interest to our timezone spread and the goal of helping BeastGate become a permanent T1 contender.

I was personally approached by Freelancer [TL], who hinted towards joining us on BeastGate, and i made it abundantly clear he was not welcome.

I was also approached by RUIN, prior to the above, and i felt it was in the best interest of WvW sustainability that we did not stack a server (they proposed a different one to BeastGate) because we would be only making a new HoD. We had a difference of opinion as to whether the player-base could engineer 4-6 competitive servers by spreading out, and while i could see their point, that band-wagoners will still stack the top server, i don't think there would have been a top server. With the right spread, and the right tactics, Top Spot will swap constantly.

I had no idea a significant component of the former AA were coming to BG. Coincidence? They saw the same potential in BeastGate as we did? Maybe/Maybe not.

Either way we now have a server that should crush JQQ (IMO), view not shared by all the other former TA leaders. Either way that should knock a few people off that Bandwagon.

I definitely feel that should BeastGate become the new HoD, some1 will need to reshuffle again.While free transfers have been a plague to WvW recently, it can also be used as the tool Anet intended to balance.

It just requires the Dedicated WvW Guilds/Players to organise a reshuffle. This absolutely sucks for Server Pride, Loyalty and Making a New Home etc etc, but there isn't much we can do otherwise.

Personally i don't want to leave BG after the amount of work and correspondence that took place behind the scenes to ensure the Core of BG's WvW Guild accepted us for who we were, Former #1 Guilds, and that they didn't feel our 'Elitist' attitudes would translate into drama.

In the short term ... Tier 1 is only ~230 hours away.

#2022117 BG vs TC vs FA

Posted Vulkus on 16 October 2012 - 04:02 AM

At least we can manage an orb grab here and there. :)

#2016958 Myself and 2 others

Posted GR7 on 14 October 2012 - 01:36 AM


Myself, my brother, and a close local friend of ours are looking for a guild to work ourselves into. We are interested in all aspects of the game and really need to find a home that can offer all areas of play in GW2. We are all EST based so the closer to that time zone the better. All of us are pretty active and excited to hopefully contribute. I personally really want to explore the World vs World aspect when I reach and adequate level. In the end we are looking to just have fun, semi-serious is alright as well but nothing too hardcore. A voice server of sorts would be nice as well. If the community around the guild is nice enough I definitely wouldn't mind donating a little bit. Thanks for taking the time to read this and I look forward to any responses!

#1994260 Titan Alliance

Posted insi9nia on 05 October 2012 - 05:56 AM

Beastgate will be back. soon.

#1991028 Condemned Leaves GW2

Posted zj12345 on 04 October 2012 - 03:33 AM

Is it only me that finds it ironic that a member of a giant guild that left Fort Aspenwood to hop onto a server which AA was on (twice!) keeps calling people band wagoners?

#1988558 Help us, before we go insane!

Posted Scardydog on 03 October 2012 - 09:50 AM

You might recognize my name (but maybe not) from my last very long post before game launch about looking for a guild to join. You can probably find it under my profile if you are interested in what I wrote last time, but here we are again...

My partner and myself have been around a few very nice guild, with some very nice people in them, unfortunately they haven't been quite right for us. Mainly they haven't been active enough for us. I'm going to post a list of our "requirements" and if you fit the bill please drop me a PM...

1: Our guild is full of mature, helpful people.

2: Our guild is small and we like it that way. Every member is a person and not a number.

3: We run regular non mandatory events and members often organize their own dungeon runs over the guild chat.

4: Our guild chat is full of chat, jokes, people asking for and offering help.

5: We are not elitist, but we know how to get things done.

6: We have active forums and voice chat.

7: Our officers know how to run events effectively and aren't afraid to say when someone isn't doing what they are supposed to be doing (but in a nice way) and doesn't get all mad and pissed off.

That's it, not much to ask from a guild I think, we don't want to run dungeons every single night, but it gets a little disheartening when you ask a guild full of people if they want to do something and suddenly no one will talk to you! Saying "no" is fine, but just being blanked is just plain rude.

We don't mind switching servers (EU servers only) to join a new guild, but please, please, please don't over sell yourself. If you don't meet the above list requirements there's a chance we will join then leave again. As I said. we've joined a few guilds who sounded great on paper, but then when you join, they are nothing like they say they are....we really want to find a "forever home"

As players we offer a lot of experience and come with a no drama attitude, to the right guild, we will be totally loyal, work our butts off, run dungeons, join dungeons, chat, come on your voice chat (not all the time, but sometimes and definitely when we do events).

We aren't really asking for much. Please, give us a home where people will say hi when we log on, are willing to join in and do stuff, but are relatively small...I might add that we come with an odd sense of humor, taking and giving abuse is fun (if done correctly).

P.s: sorry for the huge post, it was meant to be short, but I think I got carried away.

#1962858 Casual, PST -7 GMT

Posted Whogoesthere on 24 September 2012 - 07:44 AM

I'm a looking for a friendly, mature, and well organised guild/community. I currently reside in Stormbluff Isle, I am willing to change servers as long as it's not a low populated or one of the new servers that was recently created (except Eredon Terrace). Low populated servers are really a pain in the butt to be in. I also been server hopping so there are certain servers I would have to reject base on the maturity and organisation of their WvW and PvE chat.

I prefer an English speaking guild. I Don't mind if it's also an international guild/community. I love to meet other players from another country. A close knit guild would be a plus, but it's hard to call a guild more then 50 that. There will be those whose excluded, unless you, the core members go out of your way to know each of your members.

I've been both a Guild Leader, Recruiting Officer, and The Enforcer (Enforce rules and discipline members) for about 2-3 years with a guild of 65-75 at most. I just want to have fun and enjoy a game for once so I prefer not to be place in either of those positions again. I am playing this game alone and away from my former members and friends. They moved on with their lives and/or onto other MMO, such as Blade & Soul, Tera, and Rift. They maybe playing this game, but I have lost contact with of those who still play games...

- I can be serious, but mostly laid back. I am fine with any jokes as long as they don't get out of control or stereotypical.

- Willing to hop on TS3/Vent for WvW and dungeons, but I'm not a talkative type of person, I listen and pop in once a while instead. :D

- I am not a new player, but I am not someone who knows everything either. I been playing Guild Wars 2 since the first beta.

You may contact me in game (IGN: Cerulean Aoi ) or here on the forums.