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Shizu, on 17 December 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

I present the following statements. Make of them what you will.

- GW2 contains 15+ GIGAbytes of code, graphic/video assets, scripts and configuration files on the client side with who knows how many GB on the server side with additional networking, load balancing and monitoring software. The "ancient" generation of players played games of ca. 64 KILObytes while the "prehistoric" players made do with 8 KILObytes or less.

- Even in a small confined space with a limited number of players and mobs, the number of possible actions + interactions verges on the infinite.

- Little of modern games are directly coded in standardized programming languages. Most development is done with scrpts and an in-house developed scripting engine and/or other proprietary tool(s). That means that bugs in the game can actually be caused by bugs in the engines/tools and the cause of the bugs may not be easily determined.

For those that think that they know all about game development or even software development in general and fixing bugs/changing features is oh so easy because they are taking some course in college, I only have a tired snort.

We're a game forum, meaning there are 3 types of people:

The Good: They have criticism, but they also appreciate the overall quality of the game. Nothing to complain about.

The Bad: This person chews on their fingernails waiting for responses for a living. Generally pessimistic, this forum-goer likes to attack other people's comments and make fun of Justin Beiber and other unrelated topics on a daily basis. Though called out several times, he doesn't care because work starts at 8 and they, 'Like, think sleep is totally useless lol #yolo'.

The Ugly: This person is somewhere in between the ranks of belly button lint, a floor made of legos, and a 4 week old lasagna casserole with green beans and mushrooms. They attack forums with everything bad about the topic, and will not rest until they make everyone feel like a pile of dog crap. Which they can't do. They'll suck life out of a game, in this case, GW2, and regurgitate it into words that are probably scrawled onto satan's forearm as his list of insults.

So there you have it. The forums of every MMORPG and game in general ever played.
Good luck out there, you're gonna need it.

My ranger just got a sword that sold for 7g and some heavy armor with a divinity rune.  Sucks that I don't wear heavy armor, huh?  What a ripoff.  Come to think of it, I get angry every time I get a drop out killing mobs that I can't use.  What poor game design, am I right?

@Duskwolf.

Accounts of narcissism and glorification of own opinion

"hey, when I answer... they flee in fear"

"This is going to be an interesting resource for future developers."
"we're bringing you back to reality."
"joining my camp"
"so, hey, I guess you can consider me a good samaritan in a way"
"And the comment I get flung my way for my efforts now"
"when one of my camp"
"we tend to put forth very sensible ideas"
"I had the balls to man up and do it"

Accounts of acerbic treatment of counter-positions: (In direct hypocrisy of
"What we get is, to say it again, insults, fallacies, character assassination, and an increasingly desperate attempt to just get rid of us."


"Oh no, logic! Logic is like the kryptonite of faithfuls like yourself."
""I like vertical progression. And you're a poopoo head who should get out of my forum and give me a walled garden community!""
"You're that desperate
"And for the sake of your mental well being"
"Since I can see that you're trying so hard to delude yourself. And that's what these screams for a walled garden are about."
"Instead, you're hanging around the forum all day at the expense of everything else, and making desperate attacks"
"I doubt you'll counter this. I don't think you have it in you."
"you're hanging onto your delusion"
"you don't want to admit that you were wrong. Because that makes you look stupid."
"Where is your shame? Where is your self-respect? Why do you do this to yourself?"
"When will you come to your senses?"
"bend over and take it up the butt."

Notes: Author calls out dramatically for a logical discussion, but speaks primarily with pathos. He asks for logic, when possibly inciting rage. This would seem self-defeating, but the author is a smart man. He must therefore actually desire the emotional response. The "poopoo head" response. It is interesting too that he labels the counter position "faithfuls" and "hopefuls," this suggests that what they believe is fantasy, and not logic or facts. While also seemingly elevating those who agree with him as followers of his camp, akin to him in his logical glory.

If above is Ethos, let's look for Logos, or logic.. in his post:

"vertical progression takes away from displays of player skill only to offer a placebo effect in its place that convinces bad players that they're good"
" gambling aspects of the mystic forge are exploitative, you can't deny that keeping the amount of money in players hands and then putting artificially high prices on things in order for them to buy gems from the cash shop to convert to gold is exploitative, you can't deny that the taxes themselves are exploitative. Guild Wars 2 is a cynical example of exploitation, and how some people just like to bend over and take it up the butt."

Note: The last is more pathos than logos, since it doesn't explain why it is exploitative. A missed opportunity considering the RNG gamble of MMO's can be explained as such with some basic psychology education, but I wanted to cite it when it was almost there.

Opinion: The author may not be a deliberate troll, or if he is a very good one (10/10), but his delivery is toxic and not likely to create the discussion he believes he champions.

Opinion on Game: I'm still having fun, but I represent the 1%~ of RPers, so my opinion doesn't represent a lot of others. I expect RNG grinds in any MMO, and simply don't play enough for this nature of the beast to dwell in my head like a parasite. I have several 80's, exotics.. even got my ascended ring, but I also prefer Horizontal progression, like Wolf, even if I don't wish to abandon this game anytime soon. Ascended gear was not hatched from some A-net scheme to ruin the lives of their players, but because there was actually a surprisingly (I'd say) large demand for more character progression. A-net has designed the game with the intentions of a revenue despite F2P, and that isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it is necessary. It's not pay-to-win, so I am happy. You don't need legendaries, and they're depreciating in awe as they become more common, so I don't truly understand why people head-desk and grind for them, a personal decision for a little graphic they don't need, and then blame A-net for the trouble they put themselves in. I think the major thing that has shown me that A-net cares about its players is amount of new content they are churning out with a relatively small staff. The holiday event and Karka event have been enormous, and they really surprised me. I can say I'm happy to see what will come this christmas.

This game is not without its flaws, and I don't play it solely, but I maintain faith that it will remain fun, and can improve. So yes, call me a horrible faithful, Dusk. Label me as a terrible, delusional person who will call you names like a two-year old and is only on this community to weigh it down, Tell me that I am incapable of logical arguments. And be thankful that you can't be punched through the internet for insulting me so deeply when you don't know a thing about me.

This DuskWolf guy, I actually read his entire post, and I gotta say,

get a girlfriend, a car, a dog, a job, or a hobby because you really need something bro.

CunningMoogle, on 29 November 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

We are... I am.
For some reason, the OP isn't.

We can bring a horse to water.......

Rickter, on 29 November 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

And they do.
Our accounts are perfectly secure, on their end.

Are you doing your due diligence on yours?

Read it half-way couldn't read it more.
I've seen some Cash Shops where you couldn't continue without getting the extra stuff they give.

Aside from that I have no idea what a cash user has in his advantage over a non-cash one. I've got around 12 Exp boosts in my Bank from doing PvE stuff (map completing, storyline, chests). In fact, a lot of the cash Consumables can be recieved as PvE reward content.

Aside from Character Slot/Bank Slot (which is a normal thing to charge in any game - even GW1 had them), Town-Clothing (GW1 Costumes - optional and not needed, purely esthetic), few armor skins (that aren't THAT great to think that there aren't better ones rewarded from Dungeons - free armor), Makeover kits (which should be in the cash shop anyway, gw1 had them, all games have them and be happy that they do because most games won't even care to give you an option to change it. They'd make you want to restart that character) there is nothing that you can't live without.

The only thing that I didn't like was Halloween's chest... but they've learned from it. You won't die if you don't have those skins, there are much better looking GS skins,the Staff skins are actually somewhat better then most PvE ones... other then that nothing is that expensive.

Other CASH SHOP offer:
1.increased stats and esthetically stunning armors that no PvE armor can compete with
2.items with whom you can't continue playing at all
3.stuff with what your character could never reach the top rank levels
4.Exp boosts that gives so much advantage to the player that a hardcore non-cash player couldn't even compete with, and so on...

I honestly can't understand how someone can complain abouy GW2's Cash Store. Ether, they're ignorant about what Cash Stores are about or they just want to troll around.

That being said, in my humble opinion I would never play a game with a sub-fee. Doesn't matter if I'd play it everyday or once a month... I want to have my freedom to decide when and where I want to play it.
Trust me if you think ANet is greedy, you truely haven't played many mmo's recently.

This thread sucks.

Well Lion's Arch was the most populated place in GW1 until Nightfall came with "Spamadan", so I feel like it hasn't changed at all in 250 years

I love the game, i am starting to hate the community. Puts me in bit of a bind.

Daesu, on 21 November 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

I'm not here to assuage your anger. I'm not trying to hold your hand.

I am pinning a greater portion of the blame on the community, and by extension, me and you.
ArenaNet is not without fault, but the constant stream of complaints is really a flaw of the community.

Prior to complaining about Ascended items, people complained about Legendaries (which incidentally, were in adherence with the so-called Manifesto). People complained that the gap between Exotics and Legendaries were too large. People complained that they felt no progression. There is an entire (stickied!) thread of nothing but whining about it, and they got it.

Well those complains have stopped now. Now, people complain about the very thing they campaigned for, the step between the Exotics and Legendaries. Do you see what i'm getting at? You may not be one of those who campaigned for it, but there was an angry mob on the official forums that did. Now, there's the angry mob against the angry mob changes, and if they change things again there will be another angry mob. .

This gripe is the flavor of the month. Nothing ArenaNet does can and will be good enough. They can rig the game to deliver you a high quality massage right in your home while bathing your eyes with magical rays of happiness, and people will complain about the bandwidth requirements.

The problem is you.

I don't really expect or anticipate i'll change your mind. This is the era of the entitled gamer, and particularly entitled gamers that don't enjoy hearing that they are. It's bad enough that the word 'entitled' itself is now being swung around like a pejorative, but I'll keep using it as long as it's the truth.

Back when people wanted Legendary precursors nerfed in cost, and more of a sense of progression between Exotics and Legendaries, I made posts opposing the change.

Now, people are railing against the progression above Exotics, saying it violates the original principle of the game. I am again opposing this.

If they listen to you, equalize the stats at the top end with Exotics/Ascended, and then people complain about it again, I will oppose them also.

You see, the only thing I'm mad at ArenaNet for with regards to this, is that they are making rash changes based on flash mobs in the forums. You just happen to represent the current mob I'm against. This is not "listening to the community". This is not responsible game design, and this is what I fault ArenaNet most for. The developers could really take a page out of DOTA's book, if and of you are familiar with the game. Balance changes are always done delicately, with small increments of change. Most of the cries of "IMBA" in the forums are largely ignored in favor of very gradual change. This produced a game which I have played, and was popular for a decade and more.

They have no reason to listen to one guy, so I'm essentially spitting into the wind.
ArenaNet will likely bounce from mob to mob, trying to listen to their demands. Invariably, one group will not be happy with the changes requested by another group, and so on, and so forth, until everything is just a convoluted mass.

This, Daesu, is your contribution to destroying the game. Worst of all, both sides believe they are trying to save it.
You all still have a chance to stop, and try to work sensible changes into the game. Starting with reporting bug fixes, moving onto suggestions for streamlining events, then offering ideas for improved dungeon concepts. I'm not hopeful, though.

Water exploration is amazing.
Water combat is utter shit.

ILLuMiNaTe7, on 12 October 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Not sound like a jerk but this is kind of your own fault. There is no direct player-to-player trading and had you gone through the trading post this wouldn't have happened. The decision to remove player-to-player trading was made to keep people from scamming each other and make all trades fair, with an unquestionable degree of transparency what items are and are not worth. You chose to go outside the safeguards that Arena Net provided you and use an unenforced form of trade.

It is like buying a movie from a bootlegger or anything from the back of some random guy's car; deal at your own risk. You made the choice to ignore the trading post and that also means you made the choice to trade outside of Arena Net's protection. Crying about it now is ridiculous. You don't go to the cops and complain when your under-the-table deals go south; not their responsibility.

Thumbs down because it feels that the tilapia section was too brief.

111 posts and nobody has expressed my view about why launch date is so special. It only happens once. Once. Just like your wedding only happens once. There will be cheery people and an atmosphere that will never be the same again.

It's not about wanting to finish the game fast. It's about enoying the special moment with hundreds of other players beside you.