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Dusty Friday

Member Since 30 Aug 2012
Offline Last Active Apr 12 2014 12:02 PM

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In Topic: LH is the New Bearbow: The Real Staff DPS Build for Manly Men

13 March 2014 - 06:17 PM

I should have written dps, not damage, but yeah, 2xFGS deals more than 55k dps. That's the 'argument'. I should really express myself in better ways I suppose, but the point was just that. A fellow user also claimed that the auto-attack of the Axe warrior is superior, which I disagreed upon.

I am in no way claiming that the Ele build here is bad, in fact it's my favorite one, since I really enjoy the staff gameplay. I have no idea why GuanglaiKangyi assumed I am suggesting his build is bad. It's the exact opposite, the build is amazing.

And finally, the statement that 'nobody is disputing ele damage' is kind of shaky, because I meet a lot of players that assume it's one of the weakest in the game, which is terribly wrong. I guess you guys should just ignore all my posts in this thread, it's for the best.

edit: In any case, I thank the OP for his/her work on this build. I have to admit it gave me pleasure in playing ele once again, because I know it can be effective, and a long time ago using staff meant inefficiency. Sadly, some players still have the old mentality about our class, which angers me. Sorry if I offended anyone.

In Topic: LH is the New Bearbow: The Real Staff DPS Build for Manly Men

13 March 2014 - 03:45 PM

I never said that auto-attack of FGS can surpass a warrior, it's just that some people claimed 2 x FGS deals 55k damage. I made a point that that's not possible even if you use only auto-attack.

In Topic: LH is the New Bearbow: The Real Staff DPS Build for Manly Men

13 March 2014 - 03:16 PM

That's not even remotely true, my god.

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"yo i saw this thread then ran a totally different build and it sucked, this guide sucks."

Do not tell me that 'I'm basically saying this', instead please quote where exactly I have even suggested this. You completely reinvented my arguments, if anything. I've been running this build for a while and I love it. I don't even understand why exactly you are arguing with me, given that you made this thread and I am all in defense of the build. I use it and like it. I am also free to change it if I wanted to. Let me repeat this:

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the tests I did above were done solely to prove a point, that the warrior axe auto-attack is not superior, and that 2 x FGS does NOT deal a total of 55k damage.

That's all.

In Topic: LH is the New Bearbow: The Real Staff DPS Build for Manly Men

13 March 2014 - 12:11 PM

It is completely irrational to test Elementalist dps on a single target. Once again, we come back to the fact that things are subjective.

Why the hell would anyone play Elementalist without capitalizing on its AoE capabilities??? No reason I can come up with. If you only count single-target dps you are immediately placing the class at a disadvantage.

Let me assure you - game designers did not plan out the game balance according to single-target dps, which is what 'elite mathematicians' attempt to do here, which is also stupid. A HUGE portion of the Ele class revolves entirely around its AoE capabilities. Please understand that calculating these things does not in any way give you a clear representation of what will happen in the actual game, especially when you overlook important things, such as the freaking role of a class.

Edit: And also, the tests I did above were done solely to prove a point, that the warrior axe auto-attack is not superior, and that 2 x FGS does NOT deal a total of 55k damage. I think that point was proven, and anyone can test this for themselves in the mists.

I have never said that FGS should be used only with auto-attack. That is, indeed, not efficient at all. Playing the elementalist properly, on the other hand, is ultimately efficient.

Oh, and the idea that this build 'can only be played with these traits' is fallacious. When I play an Elementalist while doing dungeons it is me who decides whether some traits needs to be swapped, or not. I might want to have more survivability than dps. It's called adapting to the situation.

In Topic: LH is the New Bearbow: The Real Staff DPS Build for Manly Men

13 March 2014 - 11:03 AM

View Postmaster21, on 13 March 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

Why are you using untraited classes for calculations? I does not make any sense.

Elem in this build has:
10% to burned, 10% when close, 10% when >90%, 10% when in fire, 20% <33%,10% from sigil, 10% from scholar rune, 10% from potions.
because all of them a multiplicative you would get 2,12 modifier from this. It's huge, it's highest in the whole game.
Warrior has better skill coef for axe, but after traits and all bonuses he is not even near ele potential.

You "tests" just show that skill coef for warrior axe is higher then fgs autoattack. Bravo, bravo.

Now maybe take elem, with traits, cast fgs and just autoattack.
Then take this fgs with your traited warrior.
Puff magic, ele hits twice as hard...

I chose to use only raw stats from trait points and minor passive traits, since people usually have different preferences for what traits they choose, and/or rotate traits depending on the situation.

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Puff magic, ele hits twice as hard...

That is exactly my point. The ele will hit even more than twice as hard. Consider the potential AoE and it's five times as much.

I will give you a small example: the boss in one of the Fractals, which is an Oooze that turns into an umbrella-like form and absorbs damage, then deals it to the whole party. Once I accdentally did a Burning Retreat, and it was perfectly executed - the whole party died in 2 hits after the boss began dealing this damage back to the team. From 1 Burning Retreat - all dead.