astromarmot

I know these are old but I have to say something:

Darkobra, on 12 March 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

Lordkrall, on 12 March 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

Are you two seriously in a pissing match about how many games you've played and how long you've played them? Seriously?

Darkobra: I've been playing video games for 25 years. I can probably count on three hands how many individual games i've played more than a few times. Your age and "career' means little.

Lordkrall: you're no better because neither of you know one another well enough to determine each others' video game "careers" and it's laughable to even pull out the proverbial ruler to begin with.


Both of you need to realize that how much video game history you have isn't at all worthy of any sort of bragging rights.

Dasviidonja, on 06 April 2013 - 03:10 PM, said:

Fair enough.  It's not very useful for me to just dismiss it as meaningless.

I'll rephrase it.

Using comparisons to real life to argue against waypoints while ignoring the thousands of other ways the game is unlike real life and accurate simulation takes a back seat to gameplay makes it an easy argument to dismiss.

There are plenty of arguments against waypoints that are consistent with other design choices.  "Not like real life" completely fails due to the fact that there is very little in the game that is even close to real life.  This is clearly not intended to be a simulation game.

Dasviidonja, on 05 April 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

Not exactly sure what you're saying here, but I wasn't using real world examples.  I was using examples of other forms of entertainment, and how they choose to truncate the more tedious traveling bits in order to get to the exciting bits.

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Take another look.  Tyria isn't medieval.  It's a fantasy world with some medieval trappings along with renaissance, robots, and even a 80s style video game.  Even the magic is nothing like a medieval or renaissance person would have expected magic to work.

Argue waypoints are bad game design all you want, but comparisons to real life are meaningless.

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kidawk, on 26 March 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Well, there are about 200000000 other MMOs out there which have: "Playing more = statistically stronger".  I don't really see why people want GW2 to become the very same thing. If they like the system so much they have massive amounts of other games to choose from.

"April Fools ! The actual game is releasing in 2015."

astromarmot, on 20 March 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

^Fixed

Trei, my problem isn't that certain content is locked off from me. I totally accept that some people love dungeons and that dungeons are challenging and should totally get sweet loot for what I personally think is a massive pain in the backside. I don't have a problem with that. In fact, part of what makes MMOs fun are things that feel perpetually just a little bit out of reach.

My problem is that the part of GW2 I do enjoy, the Personal Story, which up to that point I could do by myself can't be finished. And even if I decided not to, the game won't let me take that green star off of my UI. I've practically decided to not finish it out of protest at this point. Nor can I finish PvE map completion without entering PvP.

Someone needs to shake the devs and tell them that getting people to leave their comfort zone isn't done by stonewalling them out of finishing the content they most enjoy.


EDIT: Also, I don't believe one has to enjoy the self-flagellation rituals known as dungeons in order to be able to claim to enjoy multiplayer games.

Trei, on 19 March 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

I'm going to ignore the derision seemingly implied in the chatroom comment and respond to the rest.

For me, the best MMOs feel like visiting other worlds and interacting with them. The more spinning toys I can play with, the better. I also like the atmosphere that comes from being around other people. Gathering resources and selling them on a trading post of sorts is fun too, and despite what some ignorant people say I think GW2 has a fun economy. I also like it if the world I'm in is colorful, childlike or upbeat which is rare in western RPGs so I was pretty excited for this game.
And say what you will of a beautiful world like Skyrim, having other players present adds a certain random or emergent element you don't get from other games whether you're in a party with them or not. GW2 stands head and shoulders above everyone in this regard too since their presence is nearly always a positive.

I think I'd like it best if dungeons scaled around two players, yeah, but I recognize that'd limit them a lot. Ideally I'd like to just be able to solo them since I wouldn't have to synch up any schedules and I could do them in parts. Like go halfway through, walk away from the computer and have lunch and then finish. Otherwise most dungeons are just too damn long and their design is too trial and error to be any fun.

15-20 minutes with complete strangers is a good sweet spot, but past a half hour to forty minutes and I begin thinking about how much cleaning I could be doing in my apartment if I'm going to spend that long feeling frustrated anyway.

So yeah, Victory or Death? Death. Death to this ill-conceived personal story and the UI that won't go away.

Ritualist, on 15 March 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

As Astro points out, GW2 is kind of boring because all you do is to chase rewards.
Problem is that the "wannabe hardcore" market, people who want to feel as if they are having fun while playing a game, but don't really care enough about said game to derive fun from actually playing it (so they need to be rewarded for everything instead), is gigantic. Those players are what MMOs have been feeding on roughly since WoW was released. There are exceptions but GW2 is not one of them.

HawkofStorms, on 13 March 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

Now if only someone could come up with a good definition for "hardcore"...

Nope stuck here as well, sad thing is because of it I have no desire to do anymore personal stories on any of my characters. Why bother if I'm never going to finish it. In fact the only time I even do a personal story now is if I'm stuck for easy dailys.

I haven't even gotten that far.  The story was fun when it was actually a story, but it gets really boring when every mission is just "Kill a bunch of zombies for Trahearne".  It's too tedious to play through more than one at a time, now.

It's okay guys. It's just a new rarity. Definitely not stronger or anything like that.

As for the article, I sort of agree. The game slaps on system after system. These individual systems aren't complicated or anything like that, but they offer enticing extrinsic rewards. Those rewards can easily take you out of the experience of playing gw2 as a world and then make you focus "achieving" things on a checklist. It wasn't so bad when it was simple dailies and achievements you could simply ignore.

I get the point about currency multiplication, but If GW2 as a whole is "too complicated" for an MMO, I may have to give up all hope in humanity.