FiachSidhe

No. Just no.

Something said in text carries with it no context. Not to mention, this is something that needs to be taken up with Anet, not the community here. Especially given the nature of this kind of discussion, it's not something that belongs on this forum. The sociological and philosophical connotations can also be discussed elsewhere.

And now I get to go through the thread and clean out all the racial slurs. Thanks guys!

Arena Net has tragically failed to deliver upon their design concept on nearly every level, that goes without question. They sold me on the idea of what Guild Wars 2 was supposed to be; they hooked me on the ideal that an MMO could be better...

"In most games you go out and you have really fun tasks occasionally that you get to do and the rest of the game is this boring grind to get to the fun stuff. I swung a sword, I swung a sword again, hey I swung it again, that's great...We just don't want players to grind in Guild Wars 2. No one enjoys that, no one finds that fun."

- Colin Johanson, Guild Wars 2: Manifesto Trailer

So logically if A=B, and B=C, then A=C, which means:

• Grind = Not Fun
  
• Guild Wars 2 = Grind
  
• Guild Wars 2 = Not Fun

Essentially I was lied to, and in turn I lied to others to get them into the game with me, believing whole heatedly in the design philosophy Arena Net was presenting. Now I have been made a fool of for preaching Guild Wars 2 like it was going to change the industry of the MMO for the ages to come. Reminds me of a time when I was much younger and bought a car from a used car lot and it ended up breaking down on the highway literally on the drive home...there was no lemon law in the state so I got hosed and naturally looked like an idiot for trusting a used car salesman. Arena Net has sold me that lemon all over again, and again I'm a foolish consumer that was lulled into trusting someone who's sole intent was to make a sale, and not to make me happy.

Will I stop playing Guild Wars 2 because of this? Probably Not
Will I ever buy anything from Arena Net again? Probably Not

I will play Guild Wars 2 until such time as my character progression requires that I pay an additional sum to remain competitive with other players, which will likely be the first expansion. An expansion which I assume will raise the level cap, add another tier of gear, and perhaps even shift the game balance in some manner as to force players to relearn the very classes they've already become accustomed to...you know, business as usual in the MMO genre.

Congratulations Arena Net, you have sealed the deal for me in the MMO genre. I made an agreement with myself that if Guild Wars 2 failed to deliver, it would be the last MMO I touch, because now I'm just another dude doing that boring grind for gear like everyone else.

"As a structure the MMO has lost the ability to make the player feel like a hero."

-Ree Soesbee, Guild Wars 2: Manifesto Trailer

Lordkrall, on 23 November 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

Did you follow the game before it was released? It's pretty clear to....most....people that Anet have blatantly went back on key aspects of the game

You can go on all you want about how they never technically promised us or whatever but the end result is the same: Anet changed from their original vision of the game, and the game we brought.

Asudementio, on 23 November 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

So we should take it in the bum when we dont like ideas because we shouldn't be entitled?

Lordkrall has to be the biggest fanboy on this forum. Everytime someone posts something negative about the game he'll troll within 10 secs.

Lordkrall, on 21 November 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

Wow...  That's some crazy logic Lordkrall.

Apparently it's okay to flat out lie as long as you don't promise anything?  For all you care they could've told us in the manifesto we all get free pizza and beer if we buy the game, then when we ask for said pizza and beer?  "Oh sorry guys, no promises!"

Your post clearly shows you will turn a blind eye to anything ANet do and defend the game til you're the only one left playing it.  Of course most of us who frequent this forum enough knew that already.

Craywulf, on 23 November 2012 - 03:36 AM, said:

Are you being serious right now? So if Anet permanently shut down their servers today, you'd be fine with it? They didn't promise to serve you every month right? I can't believe I'm replying to this...

People are still responding to Lordkrall? The fact that he said I know nothing about GW1 because apparently you need Lightbringer to beat DoA should show everyone his level of intelligence and ability to have a coherent debate with.

Fact is ANet did lie, and they did add new gear, if you want to accept that: FINE, but don't call me a whiner/hater. I only complain about what I care deeply for..

@lordkrall

Intellectual dishonesty is something you may want to familiarise yourself with, as you do it a lot.

Your view is that we should never blame anyone but ourselves for false advertising because the advertiser didn't say 'I promise.' So if someone is selling a game with Battlefield 3 on the cover, but you actually receive Battlefield 1942 in the box, you should blame yourself because the person who sold it to you didn't say 'I promise?'

The game that was delivered wasn't the one that was advertised. Believing that they need to say 'I promise' borders on the utterly ridiculous, possibly even the clinnically insane. One can make promises like their manifesto, which doesn't explicitly require the words 'I promise.' Their manifesto was a promise in and of itself. It was an advertisement of the product as it should have been.

To be honest, I'm hoping someone will actually bring a case against ArenaNet for false advertising, just to make a point.

Lordkrall, on 21 November 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

Following your argument they may as well have released pacman, because they didn't promise anything.

And also you're implicitely say we shouldn't trust anything ANet (or any) people say unless they say "I promise".
That's not how the world works. At least not the one I live in, perhaps everything you say is meaningless unless you say "I promise"?

I feel bad for actual new players that were invited by their friends this weekend. GW2 has a reasonable learning curve so learning it over the weekend requires a bit of time and focus. This would be a good opportunity to kick back and play with your friend and teach him/her the ropes.

However, All the new stuff and one time events being crammed down your throat new players likely got kicked to the wayside by their own friends while they tackled these one time events and try fractals.

Vexies, on 15 November 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

Dude, seriously? Could I get a spoiuler tag on that or something? Man... now I'm to depressed to play GW2 anymore. Right before the holidays too.  Man, that's just mean.

Heart Collector, on 20 November 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

You fail to realize the fact that the game you enjoy right now could even be BETTER if they have fulfilled their promises.

I have a feeling ANet is going to get their feelings hurt. I doubt they'll even post the results to avoid looking bad.

GrandmaFunk, on 20 November 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

The English language.