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#2341247 Is GW2 dead now or is it just the forums?

Posted Millimidget on 21 October 2014 - 03:33 AM

View Postdraxynnic, on 20 October 2014 - 01:36 PM, said:

There are similar threads on the official forums (I haven't been getting involved on reddit) - however, the official forums are also a lot quieter than they were a year or so ago. There's just... not as much to discuss, really.
The official forums are, or at least were, heavily moderated to quell anything approaching "negative" discussion, even if that discussion could have led to positive improvements in the game.

View PostCutthroat, on 21 October 2014 - 12:33 AM, said:

The time of MMOs is "over" for now, I guess.
Whiteknighting and marketing-department-governed moderation really took its toll.

View Postdrkmgic, on 20 October 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

and the sad part that company will probably be blizzard.
Not without hiring a whole new generation of developers; all of the talent that made Blizzard is gone.

View PostMiragee, on 20 October 2014 - 07:47 PM, said:

No, they were too eshausted from publishing casual amateur level crap like Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm, so they had to cancel their totally awesome "next gen" MMO Titan. The fate considers you my friend.
More like they realized Titan was shaping up to be complete garbage, and that their developers can't tackle anything more ambitious than Hearthstone or HotS. They're basically done as a developing studio.


#2341217 Is GW2 dead now or is it just the forums?

Posted Veji on 20 October 2014 - 05:14 PM

View Postdavadude, on 20 October 2014 - 07:34 AM, said:

The active base on the Reddit during European peak hours is about 2,500 people today (you can see it in the right column by logging on during such peak hours), with 400 people on right now (during worldwide low hours).  This is during a time where, as Poe mentioned, we're at a drought for information and the GW2 hype train stands still at the station.  On Guru, during the drought between Gamescom announcement 2009 and new information release, these numbers were comparable (2,500 retroactive users is not something i've seen here, but it's quite proportional.  About a ratio of 1:6 during new information).

Post-launch, these numbers were better around here.  After a few months, things went back to normal, etc.  Then, there was that time where every thread turned into "this is just for more gems, gem store everything" and the numbers dropped.  Interestingly enough, the people I spoke to on here who were fond of the game and disliked this had migrated to the reddit or to the official forums.  Just look at some of the topics on here during that time, from longer standing members.

A difficulty in making my case is that we switched between "post like" systems.  The old system not only had its data removed, but you can also no longer see names during liking (at least,  I can't).  The old threads had posts showing critique of the fact that everything had to relate to the gem store, and those posts would get >25 likes at a time, with names I still see on reddit today.  Many of those active posters either left the game, or left Guru.  Look at the names that were active post-launch.  Now look where they are.  Many of them are on the reddit, semi-active.  Others are simply gone, left the game, or left due to the current too-long running drought of information.

However, to quell the whole "nothing to discuss" argument, yeah, that's just here and that's the fault of our 2 month drought.  GW2 reddit just heard it's the second biggest MMO reddit in existance besides WOW.  It's also one of the more active, just check the "online now" numbers and compare it to the other reddits.

EDIT: Added a piece of information about reddit status in terms of MMO.

Have you seen the offical forums over the last few months?  Literally every other thread, if not every thread, is someone complaining about no content, lack of balance, poor loot tables...the list goes on.  I used to be an avid reader of the Diablo 3 and World of Warcraft forums over the many years, and yes, there was doom and gloom there, but i haven't seen people this angsty about an online game since vanilla D3, SWOTOR, and about a year and a half into WAR.

The signs are there.  Its seriously just a matter of time, if ANet doesn't do a complete 360 from how they are running things now.

I don't hate the game.  The game is awesome, but the management is sooooo bad, that it begins to create bias of enjoyment of the game.  THEY DID GOOD THINGS here, but they're trying to rest on their imaginary laurels that a great development cycle for a year or two of content is going to keep carrying them.  The LS lasts a whole week or two at best and then everyone is back at the official forums, complaining.

Its sad.  It really is.  BUT, as they reinvented WAR's RvR, i hope a better company comes along and reinvents alot of the great ideas they had in this game and manages it better.  When that day comes, i'll be a HUGE fan of whatever game that happens to be.  I wish more MMOs did server vs server modes like WAR's RvR and GW2's WvW.


#2341160 Is GW2 dead now or is it just the forums?

Posted Cube on 20 October 2014 - 09:38 AM

View Postdavadude, on 19 October 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:

There is plenty to talk about.  Guru lost that part of the population when this place became the gem store conspiracy hub.  All those people, including myself, migrated to the reddit.  You'll find those posts there.

Uh. I think it has less to do with "conspiracy" and more to do with that Guru was a place for people from GWGuru, and that they found the game sucked and are no longer interested? I remember when the Beta was up, I saw a ton of people I'd seen on GWGuru. Or did they migrate to reddit as well?


#2341142 Is GW2 dead now or is it just the forums?

Posted Kattar on 20 October 2014 - 12:36 AM

View Postdavadude, on 19 October 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:

There is plenty to talk about.  Guru lost that part of the population when this place became the gem store conspiracy hub.  All those people, including myself, migrated to the reddit.  You'll find those posts there.
I love how you keep harping on that, especially when it's not entirely true.


#2341046 Is GW2 dead now or is it just the forums?

Posted Shayne Hawke on 18 October 2014 - 01:44 AM

View Postraspberry jam, on 17 October 2014 - 05:41 PM, said:

That's because GW1 was a quality game; what was discussed on the forums actually mattered (at least stuff like tactics, builds, how to do things). GW2 doesn't have that. It would be like having an in-depth, two-year discussion about Resident Evil 5 even though that game can be summed up as "play it like Gears of War". It is difficult to make a build in GW2 that is so bad that it actually matters; in GW1 it was the default. In GW1 PvP, skill would make a huge difference, to the degree that it allowed teams to win even if three players were missing etc., in GW2 skill matters, but not nearly as much because the game does not offer the complexity that would cause skilled play to become a leverage.

There's simply nothing to talk about.

GW2 is not dead however. Player count has been dropping for a long time, but if you log in and play, you see people, at least in some areas.

MMOs should not be lacking in meaningful things to discuss.  Even if one can maintain enough of a constant population to find others to do things with, if there is nothing worth doing with them and nothing worth discussing with them, the game is stale, which is just as bad as being dead.


#2341031 Is GW2 dead now or is it just the forums?

Posted raspberry jam on 17 October 2014 - 05:41 PM

View PostShayne Hawke, on 19 September 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

GWGuru still had plenty to discuss after two years.
That's because GW1 was a quality game; what was discussed on the forums actually mattered (at least stuff like tactics, builds, how to do things). GW2 doesn't have that. It would be like having an in-depth, two-year discussion about Resident Evil 5 even though that game can be summed up as "play it like Gears of War". It is difficult to make a build in GW2 that is so bad that it actually matters; in GW1 it was the default. In GW1 PvP, skill would make a huge difference, to the degree that it allowed teams to win even if three players were missing etc., in GW2 skill matters, but not nearly as much because the game does not offer the complexity that would cause skilled play to become a leverage.

There's simply nothing to talk about.

GW2 is not dead however. Player count has been dropping for a long time, but if you log in and play, you see people, at least in some areas.


#2339640 Is GW2 dead now or is it just the forums?

Posted ilr on 18 September 2014 - 02:38 AM

View Postdavadude, on 15 September 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

These forums lost many active members due to circular discussions a long time ago, but remains somewhat active.  The game itself is very active, especially thanks to the new megaserver system that fills zones automatically.
It's not just these forums, the official ones are also devoid of healthy debate too.  People are moving on.
(from the yelling-at-eachother parts I guess.... some would say that's a good thing *shrug* )


#2339505 Is GW2 dead now or is it just the forums?

Posted draxynnic on 17 September 2014 - 10:20 AM

The official forums seem to have slowed down a bit as well, although it's hard to specify a cause.

I'm pretty sure player numbers are dropping, albeit hidden by features such as the megaserver... but while it may be dying, it's a slow death, and the megaserver system means that if you're playing at peak times you're probably going to see a decent population regardless. While unfortunately I'd hesitate to recommend anyone to buy in at this stage, if you already have the game, there's no reason not to jump back in.


#2336339 Billiard and Ensign

Posted Kattar on 22 August 2014 - 12:56 AM

This. This is news.

I would be very interested to know more about what you're planning.


#2336003 Billiard and Ensign

Posted Bi11iard on 19 August 2014 - 08:31 PM

I had lunch with Ensign last week - he seems to be doing okay and I am looking into doing some gaming related research with him.


#2324078 Billiard and Ensign

Posted ben911993 on 17 May 2014 - 05:15 PM

This thread gives me such nostalgia of hanging out around the GW1 guru forums. Particularly the off topic, where Faer was the undisputed lord of threads for quite some time. I think I even recall some kind of mock feud between him and Arkantos at one point.

Ah, good times.


#2313414 Billiard and Ensign

Posted Bi11iard on 02 April 2014 - 06:13 PM

Just came across this between classes - sorry for the necro. Yes I am teaching and I managed to convince Ensign to go get his PhD. Small world as we both are in the same area now! Hope all is well in Guild Wars land.


#2313472 Billiard and Ensign

Posted snograt on 02 April 2014 - 09:00 PM

"Who are Billiard and Ensign?"

Gods from a bygone age.

We shall never see their like again.


#2321141 Interview: The ArenaNet Team on the Aftermath of Season 1

Posted Konzacelt on 29 April 2014 - 09:59 PM

I must be missing something then.  To me, the dialogue is barely better than the 3rd-person cut-scenes...which is to say bad.  I honestly don't know how anyone can be the least bit engaged with the dialogue.  It's childish.


#2314796 Interview: The ArenaNet Team on the Aftermath of Season 1

Posted Desild on 07 April 2014 - 07:16 PM

Book ends for the first dull chapter of Guild Wars 2 history. It ended as it began. With a lot of refugee moving from one place to another due to a threat that will "shake the very foundations of the world".

I'd say I'm glad it is over, but then I remember this is but a prelude of things to come. Which will probably be as bad and as forgetable.