El Duderino

malevolence, on 25 May 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

None of this presents any inherent reasons why buying gold is bad.

malevolence, on 25 May 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

ok?

The only reason gold selling is illegal is because developers don't get a cut of it. Don't make it out to be some kind of moral issue.

Lycrus, on 25 May 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

1. Those words don't mean what you think they do.
2. The EULA states that Anet can ban you without cause. I doubt that you'd find that acceptable, though.

When a developer continually nerfs your ability to create wealth and attacks the foundations that are the economic pillar of the game it has a tendency to reduce the moral code of a player.


Look no further than the farmers. DR wasnt really for bots it was a control mechanism for legit players. Look at how they loot kill credit issues that still arent fixed. Then you have the outright attack on their ability to farm by nerfing every viable spot and add in mechanics
that you receive 0 loot for kills. (vet spider hatch eg)


I am perfectly fine with buying gold. I never would simply because the associated cost of it. The possible compromise of accounts and subsequent banning.
But for me it comes down directly to how ANet has dealt with wealth and the accumulation of it. Run Cofp1 100000000X fine no prob here is your gold. Play the TP like a trader ok fine here is your gold.


Dont you ever dare sit at a spot and kill a mob over again and run to next spot and kill then come back.
Then proceed to push legendaries as end game and the required amount of materials and gold for it. Play the TP like me make $$$.
But dont dare try and farm those mats it aint going to happen.


NO says the man in seattle that loot belongs to us.


I think it comes down to really how the developers treat the players. Is buying gold wrong no. It simply doesnt support the developers/shareholder which is what they are there for. You are supporting someone else using their tools/game.


Tell you what - treat people like a players, respect how they want to play, and reward them properly then buying gold via black market would never enter a players mind.

davadude, on 25 May 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

So... I shouldn't farm instigators or any mobs in southsun then?  The rewards from that seem too good to be true, especially with that crazy 200% mf boost.  Is that an exploit or what?  Shoot, I just got my first named exotic weapon drop from an instigator chest, never got anything that good from doing a meta-event.

I know, it's a mistake and if the person appeals long and hard enough they'll get their accounts back, but you need to realize that when someone who is not going against the EULA gets banned it was in fact anet's mistake, not the players.  And farming items (while being at the keyboard), regardless of whether the rewards "seem too good to be true" is not against the rules.  As for the whole taking advantage of an aspect of the game, you could say the same for making new characters to gain items from the early storyline (like the keys from lvl 10) but they've stated that it is fine.  So yeah, sometimes it's hard to tell whether anet would perceive something as a bannable offense.

El Duderino, on 25 May 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

I agree that if you get an open world drop that isnt at a meta event then it is mostly likely an exploit. Blue/green or even copper ya you actually got rewarded for killing something. Anet considers that farming now and it is an exploit. Any drop from a kill is farming.
Really bad but that is how i feel. Run speed run till fingers bleed ok. Do dragons all day ok. Dont ever do events and get a drop. Dont ever ever ever repeat an event that is farming and an exploit.


Sad to say also that the ban happy people do their job very well and are enthusiastic at it. Friends have been banned for 0 reason or something didnt look right was one excuse.
Play anets way and buy gems or dont play at all. Shame it has come to this.

I feel the OP's disappointment. My friend was banned while farming Karka and we all know there's usually a group or 2 farming those especially in these days. The ban was permanent and with the accuse of botting, after a couple of mails and 3 days without access to the account they replied that the account was banned "by mistake".

ANet bans blindly, after such an experience I have high doubts how much they investigate before banning.

malevolence, on 25 May 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

The regular gamer scrolls through the ToA and clicks accept. Saying "you made an agreement" is like saying that everyone should read the law books. No one is going to do it, no one gives a rats ass, and no one is going to follow the rules anyway.

What it comes down to is; how secure do YOU want to be? With virtual property there is no law, there's only "how safe do I want my virtual property to be?" Either you keep a lock on your stuff, or you get jacked.

Companies can enforce their rules, but any tech savvy person can cut through that paper like a pair of bypass pruners.

i just found these on youtube. XD  

Dasviidonja, on 25 May 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Except for the fact that their original loot design was entirely against the spirit of the game in it's inception. Skill/time put in. By lowering the barrier of entry to the best statistical items they stayed truer to their core design principles.

Anyway, there are 3 reasons beyond the moral standpoint. The first is hyper inflation of the in game economy. Digital economies are already prone to some pretty nasty inflation, but the bot exacerbate the issue. Second, plenty of the gold sellers have also partaken in the theft of accounts, a thouroughly terrible thing from anybody's point of view. The third is spam in the chat channel. I've booted up a few MMOs that were so rife with the gold-selling spam-bots you couldn't hold a conversation.

El Duderino, on 25 May 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

I can't think of any game I've played besides Guild Wars and Guild Wars 2 where buying gold or in-game achievements and whatnot were a possibility. The short answer is I didn't and don't care, no.

What I do care about is that I feel that the possibility of buying gold legitimately may have influenced certain design decisions that i loathe. I can only enjoy playing GW2 by intentionally ignoring some of (it's a long list!) what i think the designers intend me to do or reward me for while I play. Unfortunately, the consequences of doing this (playing how I want instead of how I think is intended or rewarded) results in extremely limited amount of currency compared to what I was able to acquire in GW1. And gold wasn't really a resource I needed much of in that game, unlike the sequel.

I won't take that chance. I work with people who deal with identity theft. That will ruin your life.

Lordkrall, on 25 May 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

You agreed on them, but how do you feel about them? He's asking for, like, your opinion, man.

El Duderino, on 25 May 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

yeah I guess it just feels like 2 wrongs make a right type of logic.  I was hurt when legendaries went "buyable" in the cash shop, but the gold sellers are something that needs to flat out be destroyed.

El Duderino, on 25 May 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

yeah It cheapens the game, wish you could only get stuff like they had in Gw1, nothing in the cash shop bothered me in that game.